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i can't believe i'm saying that -- >> president obama -- promised he would not raise middle class taxes. in his affordable care act, there are a number of tax increases that will impact households making less than $250,000 per year. one thing or another is that a tax increase or not? it is through the tax system. so, did you lie? he's going to say no, i did not lie. >> you say something, you call him out on it. here's the deal. romney's not going to try to bring it up in the debate. nor will president obama because the moment you do, you have opened the door for your opponent to actually you out. so, responsibility's going to rest on the debate moderator, who is not going to do it, but again, what people are saying is can i get somebody to tell me the truth? you can cross words all you want to, but there are some things called undeniable truth. so no matter how you want to dance around it, some things are very clear. >> there's also such a thing as throwi throwing things against the wall and that is what the obama campaign has been effective at doing and the romney campaign hasn't been.
i can't believe i'm saying that -- >> president obama -- promised he would not raise middle class taxes. in his affordable care act, there are a number of tax increases that will impact households making less than $250,000 per year. one thing or another is that a tax increase or not? it is through the tax system. so, did you lie? he's going to say no, i did not lie. >> you say something, you call him out on it. here's the deal. romney's not going to try to bring it up in the debate....
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the early breaks a 76-year-old flood record in ballenger, texas. it reached over 30 feet over the weekend. you are looking at nearby video of a park that is completely under water. you can see it right there. police are letting residents start to return to their homes. they were forced to evacuate on saturday. >> historians up and arms over a new green project. they want to cover an unused runway with solar panels. it says the site should be preserved as sacred ground. the project under consideration would cover the 4,000 foot runway and 14 acres of land with 60,000 solar energy panels by 2020. those are your top 5 at 5:30. >>> we are two-days away from the first presidential debate. final preps are underway for a mile high show down. doug luzader is live from washington. >>> it kind of borders on the surge. these guys start heaping praise on one another. to hear the president tell it as he did last night mitt romney his opponent has skills he can't match when it comes to debating. the top political ad viseor piles it on. >> challengers do well in
the early breaks a 76-year-old flood record in ballenger, texas. it reached over 30 feet over the weekend. you are looking at nearby video of a park that is completely under water. you can see it right there. police are letting residents start to return to their homes. they were forced to evacuate on saturday. >> historians up and arms over a new green project. they want to cover an unused runway with solar panels. it says the site should be preserved as sacred ground. the project under...
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president obama argues there aren't enough deductions that affect only the rich, so romney would have to hit the middle class. >> the only way to meet governor romney's pledge of not reducing the deficit or not adding to the deficit is by burdening middle class families, the average middle class family with children would pay $2,000 more. >> others have estimated the total value of the tax cuts would be some $5 trillion over ten years. governor romney says he will keep it deficit neutral and pledges there is one thing he won't do no matter what. >> i will not under any circumstances, raise taxes on middle income families. i will lower taxes on middle income families. now, you kite a study. there is six other studies that looked at the study you described and say it's completely wrong. >> the president based his assertion about a $2,000 tax increase on a study by the tax policy center which had exempted some tax deductions from any cuts in its analysis. then it concluded the plan could only be deficit neutral with a tax hike on the middle class and obama ads are hammering away. >> why
president obama argues there aren't enough deductions that affect only the rich, so romney would have to hit the middle class. >> the only way to meet governor romney's pledge of not reducing the deficit or not adding to the deficit is by burdening middle class families, the average middle class family with children would pay $2,000 more. >> others have estimated the total value of the tax cuts would be some $5 trillion over ten years. governor romney says he will keep it deficit...
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president obama fought back today attacking governor romney on the campaign trail. listen. >> it could not have been mitt romney because the real mitt romney has been running around the country for the last year promising $5 trillion in tax cuts to pay for the wealthy. he said he didn't know about that last night. >> despite the criticism of president obama from fellow democrats, david plouffe who managed the 2008 campaign, reportedly said the mission last night was "not for zingers." we continue with ed henry, live in denver. this was the president's first chance to come out swinging after the debate last night. >>reporter: he did. what is interesting, that runs counter to the narrative the obama camp is trying to put out it was a hollow victory for mitt romney and maybe the president did not take it on the children. to come out swinging as hard as he did at the rally in denver, that suggests he realized he had to make up for missed opportunity and he did not counter punch. the democrats surprised that mitt romney made a comment about tax loopholes and said maybe y
president obama fought back today attacking governor romney on the campaign trail. listen. >> it could not have been mitt romney because the real mitt romney has been running around the country for the last year promising $5 trillion in tax cuts to pay for the wealthy. he said he didn't know about that last night. >> despite the criticism of president obama from fellow democrats, david plouffe who managed the 2008 campaign, reportedly said the mission last night was "not for...
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i can't believe i'm saying that -- >> president obama -- promised he would not raise middle class taxes. in his affordable care act, there are a number of tax increases that will impact households making less than $250,000 per year. you can parse that and say, it's note a tax increase the way i talked, that's something else. the thing is, one thing or another, is it a tax increase or not? it certainly is through the tax system. it is impacting some middle class households. did you lie? he's going to say, no, i did not lie. >> and that's fine, if you say something, you call him out on it. here's the deal, romney is not going to try to bring it up in the debate. nor will president obama. the moment you do, have you opened the door for your opponent. >> you have to look in the mirror, it's an ugly picture. >> the responsibility is going to rest on the debate mod rater who is not going to do it. >> what people are saying is, can i get somebody to tell me the truth? i will say this here. you can parse words all you want to. there are some things called undeniable truth. no matter how you wan
i can't believe i'm saying that -- >> president obama -- promised he would not raise middle class taxes. in his affordable care act, there are a number of tax increases that will impact households making less than $250,000 per year. you can parse that and say, it's note a tax increase the way i talked, that's something else. the thing is, one thing or another, is it a tax increase or not? it certainly is through the tax system. it is impacting some middle class households. did you lie?...
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. >> president obama is a gifted speaker. he's been on the national stage for many years. he's done these kinds of debates before. this is mitt's first time on this kind of a stage. >> but if all candidates are trying to lower expectations, maybe chris christie missed that memo. >> governor romney's going to lay out his vision for a better and greater america for greater opportunity for all of our citizens. and i think that's when you're going to see this race really start to tighten and move in governor romney's direction. come thursday morning, the entire narrative of this race is going to change. >> i want to bring in dana milbank and matt welsh. good morning to both of you. >> good morning. >> i suppose we shouldn't be surprised this race to lower expectations. give us your take on the expectations for this debate. >> romney needs something to happen for him. he's had a bad couple of weeks. ever since the 47% comment which i think that be difficult for him. what he needs to do is kind of what obama did in 2008. when you look at when things started to move for obama, it
. >> president obama is a gifted speaker. he's been on the national stage for many years. he's done these kinds of debates before. this is mitt's first time on this kind of a stage. >> but if all candidates are trying to lower expectations, maybe chris christie missed that memo. >> governor romney's going to lay out his vision for a better and greater america for greater opportunity for all of our citizens. and i think that's when you're going to see this race really start to...
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four years ago there were 15 states that barack obama and john mccain were advertising in. now it's down to nine. you know, so you're getting same amount of advertising dollars squeezed into nine states. almost overearn gaugement with with the battleground states. >> the battleground map has dramatically decreased. we're in fewer states. you're not seeing, for example, the obama campaign talked about maybe we'll go into arizona or texas and georgia. they didn't. the obama campaign had long been looking at pennsylvania and michigan. they didn't. remember, in florida eight years ago we were talking about democrats playing missouri and even west virginia at one point or throwing money down to get the other side to spend money or compete and while republicans were looking at places like washington too. where's new mexico? >> robert, one of the things john cohen head of the polling team said it is fascinating the split between the engagement of young voters in swing states and voters in non-swing states. that's where this is being waged. that's where we need to check with enthus
four years ago there were 15 states that barack obama and john mccain were advertising in. now it's down to nine. you know, so you're getting same amount of advertising dollars squeezed into nine states. almost overearn gaugement with with the battleground states. >> the battleground map has dramatically decreased. we're in fewer states. you're not seeing, for example, the obama campaign talked about maybe we'll go into arizona or texas and georgia. they didn't. the obama campaign had...
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. >> we do not want four more years of where we've been. i represent a different path. >>> president obama meantime tries to seize the moment as early voting begins around the country, offering a closing argument. >> when i took office, we were losing nearly 800,000 jobs a month and were mired in a rut. today i believe that as a nation we are moving forward again. >> this morning, the state of the race. a debate preview, and a look at the issues that will sway undecided voters. with us, republican governor of new jersey, the keynoter at the gop convention, chris christie. and for the obama campaign, the architect of his 2008 run, now white house senior adviser david plouffe. finally, insights and analysis from our political roundtable. joining us, conservative activist and founder of the faith and freedom coalition ralph reed. former democratic governor of pennsylvania ed rendell. anchor of bbc's "world news america" katty kay. and our chief white house correspondent and political director chuck todd. >>> good sunday morning. with both side
. >> we do not want four more years of where we've been. i represent a different path. >>> president obama meantime tries to seize the moment as early voting begins around the country, offering a closing argument. >> when i took office, we were losing nearly 800,000 jobs a month and were mired in a rut. today i believe that as a nation we are moving forward again. >> this morning, the state of the race. a debate preview, and a look at the issues that will sway...
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and crie christ christy and boby two years ago, the people of bp made a commitment to the gulf. bp has paid over twenty-three billion dollars to help those affected and to cover cleanup costs. today, the beaches and gulf are open, and many areas are reporting their best tourism seasons in years. d bp's also committed to america. we support nearly 250,000 jobs and invest more here than anywhere else. we're working to fuel america for generations to come. our commitment has never been stronger. oh, hey alex. just picking up some, brochures, posters copies of my acceptance speech. great! it's always good to have a backup plan, in case i get hit by a meteor. wow, your hair looks great. didn't realize they did photoshop here. hey, good call on those mugs. can't let 'em see what you're drinking. you know, i'm glad we're both running a nice, clean race. no need to get nasty. here's your "honk if you had an affair with taylor" yard sign. looks good. [ male announcer ] fedex office. now save 50% on banners. >> greta: chris christie and bobby jindal, both republican governors, tapped to t
and crie christ christy and boby two years ago, the people of bp made a commitment to the gulf. bp has paid over twenty-three billion dollars to help those affected and to cover cleanup costs. today, the beaches and gulf are open, and many areas are reporting their best tourism seasons in years. d bp's also committed to america. we support nearly 250,000 jobs and invest more here than anywhere else. we're working to fuel america for generations to come. our commitment has never been stronger....
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remember this is a guy who was a state senator in illinois four years before he beat like a drum the best political machine the democratic party has seen since lbj, namely the clinton machine. as a challenger, he won by, you know, 7%, 8%. and he's got a lot of money. he's got the power of incumbency. he's got air force one. he's got the ability to set the message of the day from the white house. >> so obama is beating romney. romney is not beating himself. is that your point? >> no. what i'm saying is, any time a challenger has to clear the bar of credibility to sit behind that desk and make those decisions, historically, david, challengers close rate. and by the way, it isn't just 1980. >> and what about connecting to people like me? that's the poll question. isn't that where romney is struggling? he's out there talking this week about, well, tax cuts aren't going to be cut too far. he's going out there, the governor is saying, look, remember, i insured everybody. all the children are insured in massachusetts. that's got to drive some conservatives crazy, because that's what they do
remember this is a guy who was a state senator in illinois four years before he beat like a drum the best political machine the democratic party has seen since lbj, namely the clinton machine. as a challenger, he won by, you know, 7%, 8%. and he's got a lot of money. he's got the power of incumbency. he's got air force one. he's got the ability to set the message of the day from the white house. >> so obama is beating romney. romney is not beating himself. is that your point? >> no....
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paul ryan gushed over president obama's skills on the debate stage. >> president obama is a very -- he's a very gifted speaker. the man's been on the national stage for many years. he's an experienced debater. >> shockingly, senior white house adviser david plouffe had the same feelings about governor mitt romney. >> we'd expect it all along that governor romney will have a good night. he's prepared more than any candidate in history and shown himself to be a good debater through the years. >> even the candidates were tamping down expectations yesterday. >> i don't think anyone would suggest the debates aren't important. i can't tell you how important it will be. i don't know what will happen at the debates. >> governor romney is a good debater. i'm just okay. >> the soft performance has gotten so soft it's almost evaporated. but while almost everyone seems to be muting enthusiasm in trying to undersell new jersey governor chris christie is taking a different tack. overselling with gusto. >> come thursday morning, the entire narrative of this race is going to change. we have a candidate
paul ryan gushed over president obama's skills on the debate stage. >> president obama is a very -- he's a very gifted speaker. the man's been on the national stage for many years. he's an experienced debater. >> shockingly, senior white house adviser david plouffe had the same feelings about governor mitt romney. >> we'd expect it all along that governor romney will have a good night. he's prepared more than any candidate in history and shown himself to be a good debater...
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it's been a bad four years for president obama. but the next debate is not going to be a presidential debate. it will be a vice presidential debate and the pressure is on joe biden to live up to his reputation this week as a policy expert and as a skilled debater, but i expect he'll do just fine. this will be his 18th either presidential or vice presidential debate. he's had a lot of practice at it. paul ryan's first. but again, in that case, we think we have the facts and the issues on our side with the obama/biden team you'll get another four years like the last four years with the romney/ryan team, a real recovery with more jobs for everybody. >> now politico is reporting today that ann romney and tagg his son, one of his sons did an intervention to try to save the campaign if you will and let mitt be mitt and get the candidate to talk more about himself, talk more emotionally to give the foreign policy speech. in pushing back against some of the staff. can you help us out on that? what is the -- your perspective about it? >> i
it's been a bad four years for president obama. but the next debate is not going to be a presidential debate. it will be a vice presidential debate and the pressure is on joe biden to live up to his reputation this week as a policy expert and as a skilled debater, but i expect he'll do just fine. this will be his 18th either presidential or vice presidential debate. he's had a lot of practice at it. paul ryan's first. but again, in that case, we think we have the facts and the issues on our...
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the president on the campaign trail yesterday. >> obama: it took a bunch of years to get us into this mess it will take a bunch more to get us out. >> romney: i will make sure the young people of today have great jobs and a bright future. >> sure, great jobs in china. >> stephanie: yeah, and by cutting student loans and pell grants. >> i'll make sure to do it. don't ask me how. >> stephanie: no. >> he gets angry when you ask him now. >> stop it! >> this country is ready for a turn around. [ cheers ] [ applause ] >> this country is ready -- [ cheers and applause ] >> this country is ready for mitt romney. [ cheers and applause ] >> stephanie: oooooooooh. >> ann romney: stop it. >> stephanie: she is warm. >> this is hard. you want to try it get in the ring. this is hard. >> stephanie: even eskimos go oh icy. did we pull up another cartoon by our favorite cartoonist. >> i haven't posted it yet. >> stephanie: okay. he is funny. everybody calm down we're not going to run out of bacon. >> oh, thank god. >> stop it. just stop it. >> ann romney: stop it. >> stephanie: economies have stepped f
the president on the campaign trail yesterday. >> obama: it took a bunch of years to get us into this mess it will take a bunch more to get us out. >> romney: i will make sure the young people of today have great jobs and a bright future. >> sure, great jobs in china. >> stephanie: yeah, and by cutting student loans and pell grants. >> i'll make sure to do it. don't ask me how. >> stephanie: no. >> he gets angry when you ask him now. >> stop it!...
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trillion over ten years. true? >> not in the least bit true. look, this just goes to show if you tore tour statistics enough they'll confess to what you want them to confess to. >> how much would it cost? >> it's revenue neutral. it's -- >> no. i'm just talking about the cuts. we'll get to the deductions. the cut in tax rates. >> the cut in tax rates is lower all american tax rates by 20%. >> how much does that cost? >> it's revenue neutral. >> it's not revenue neutral unless you take away the deductions. we're going to get to that. >> lowering tax rates by broadening the tax base works. and you can -- >> but you haven't given me the math. >> well, i don't have the time -- it would take me too long to go through all of the math. >> what's your response to that answer, steve, just the whole series of back and forth there? >> i think that really that's the wrong argument to have if you're paul ryan. >> what do you mean that's the wrong argument? he's the numbers guy. he's the fiscal responsible face of the repu
trillion over ten years. true? >> not in the least bit true. look, this just goes to show if you tore tour statistics enough they'll confess to what you want them to confess to. >> how much would it cost? >> it's revenue neutral. it's -- >> no. i'm just talking about the cuts. we'll get to the deductions. the cut in tax rates. >> the cut in tax rates is lower all american tax rates by 20%. >> how much does that cost? >> it's revenue neutral. >>...
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look, barack obama hasn't debated in four years. mitt romney has had a lot of debates in that time, but i do think it's worth noting, andrea, that all of mitt romney's debates have been against multiple people. there was never a time where he had a one on one debate against rick santorum or newt gingrich or rick perry. always debating four or five people who were really sort of aiming at him. he was the frontrunner throughout. barack obama had four debates against hillary clinton, one on one in the 2008 democratic primary, then three debates against john mccain. it's a different dynamic than to be the frontrunner where four or five people are aiming at you throughout a debate. >> here we are on the eve practically of the first debate and it's supposed to be an economic, domestic policy. >> right. >> and now foreign policy has reared its head. we have first of all mitt romney and "the wall street journal" an op-ed, saying that these developments are not as president obama says, mere bumps in the road. they are major issues that put o
look, barack obama hasn't debated in four years. mitt romney has had a lot of debates in that time, but i do think it's worth noting, andrea, that all of mitt romney's debates have been against multiple people. there was never a time where he had a one on one debate against rick santorum or newt gingrich or rick perry. always debating four or five people who were really sort of aiming at him. he was the frontrunner throughout. barack obama had four debates against hillary clinton, one on one in...
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the man has been on the national stage for many years. this is mitt's first time on this kind of a stage. >> reporter: paul ryan, the vice presidential nominee, who is preparing for his own debate, again avoided giving details of the romney tax plan, even when pressed. >> you haven't given me the math. >> i don't have the -- it would take me too long to go through all of the math. >> reporter: the president is in nevada tonight for what insiders call three days of debate camp at a resort outside of las vegas. they too are trying to lower expectations and believe accounts that the romney campaign is convinced debates are about moments. >> the idea that i'm anti-immigrant is repulsive. >> reporter: and romney will come armed with several one-liners. >> clearly they've been practicing these zingers and lines for months, so i'm sure they'll have a bunch of clever line, but that's ultimately not what the american people are looking for. >> reporter: the president is being coached to be crisper, to shorten his answers, and a former democratic c
the man has been on the national stage for many years. this is mitt's first time on this kind of a stage. >> reporter: paul ryan, the vice presidential nominee, who is preparing for his own debate, again avoided giving details of the romney tax plan, even when pressed. >> you haven't given me the math. >> i don't have the -- it would take me too long to go through all of the math. >> reporter: the president is in nevada tonight for what insiders call three days of debate...
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. >> you have got four more years of obama or 8 years of romney. you can do four years fast. eight years is a long time. >> this is the first time they have seen them side by side and they are learning a lot here. i think romney exposed a lot of obama's weaknesses. and deficiencies. so i would give the slight edge to romney. martha: wisdom come be from those gentlemen. some in the crowd did not care what either candidate had to say. one man said he already made up his mind and he voted early. that changes the die ma'am nick a lot of these cases as well. coming up, is it a new day for mitt romney? that is the big question. he did well last night but will it change the game at all? is the president not you one who needs to play catchup? most people think he will. we'll get some reaction from both campaigns how their respective candidates performed last night. that coming up a couple minutes away. bill: remember fox news? where else would you be. the next big debate is one week from today. joe biden and paul ryan scare off in danville, kentucky. we'll have complete coverage of t
. >> you have got four more years of obama or 8 years of romney. you can do four years fast. eight years is a long time. >> this is the first time they have seen them side by side and they are learning a lot here. i think romney exposed a lot of obama's weaknesses. and deficiencies. so i would give the slight edge to romney. martha: wisdom come be from those gentlemen. some in the crowd did not care what either candidate had to say. one man said he already made up his mind and he...
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barack obama hasn't done this for four years. so i would think the advantage would definitely be with the apparent underdog, a, because people don't think he's going to win and i think he may well win that first debate and secondly, because he's the more experienced debater. >> well, i think i would caution you a little bit. i think the president, when he has given kind of press interviews, that is a form of being pressed on things so maybe you're not debating another opponent one-on-one, but you are going through the process of answering questions and tough questions and people are not letting you squirm out of things. i think you do have to pull that down a little bit. i do believe that mitt romney has not demonstrated that he's agile. he's not kind of light on his feet. so the idea that if you had a tough spot in a debate, whether the moderator pushed or obama pushed and could romney not talking from zingers that he's rehearsed, not talking from talking points, be agile enough to say i can answer these questions because these
barack obama hasn't done this for four years. so i would think the advantage would definitely be with the apparent underdog, a, because people don't think he's going to win and i think he may well win that first debate and secondly, because he's the more experienced debater. >> well, i think i would caution you a little bit. i think the president, when he has given kind of press interviews, that is a form of being pressed on things so maybe you're not debating another opponent one-on-one,...
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president obama is a very gifted speaker. the man has been on the national stage or many years. he has done these kinds of debates before. this is mitt's first time on this kind of a stage. >> reporter: president obama has done this 8 times. governor romney continues to hit president obama on foreign policy. a new op-ed in the wal "wall stt journal" will be about domestic policy. but governor romney is planning a new speech. the following two presidential debates will include that. megyn: meantime president barack obama is in henderson, nevada. some say the city of henderson is a microcosm of the economy we have seen over the past few years. yet the latest polls show the race in nevada is neck and neck and that is causing -- ed henry live in vegas. hey, ed. >> the president -- they are calling it debate camp in henderson. 20 miles from where i am right now it's an opulent resort known as lake las vegas that is symbol i of the boom and bust. that whole lake las vegas resort where the president is doing his debate prep. it's modeled after an italian village. it went bankrupt the l
president obama is a very gifted speaker. the man has been on the national stage or many years. he has done these kinds of debates before. this is mitt's first time on this kind of a stage. >> reporter: president obama has done this 8 times. governor romney continues to hit president obama on foreign policy. a new op-ed in the wal "wall stt journal" will be about domestic policy. but governor romney is planning a new speech. the following two presidential debates will include...
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president obama is a very gifted speaker. the man has been on the national stage for many years. he's an experienced debater, he's done these kinds of debates before. this is mitt's first time on this kind of a stage. >> here's president obama's last word on sunday as he headed into the debate prep in nevada. >> governor romney is a good debatetor. i'm just okay. but what i'm most concerned about is having a serious discussion about what we need to do to keep the country growing and restore security for hard-working americans. that's what people are going to be listening for. that's the debate that you deserve. >> a new national washington post poll of likely voters shows president obama polling at 49% and mitt romney at 47% but among likely voters in the swing states, president obama leads mitt romney by 11 points. 52%-41%. tonight the forecast is president obama will within 320 ele electoral college votes. joining me now is steve and karen. karen, the expectation game has gotten really out of hand this time. finally chris christie, for whatever reason, just kind of gave up and
president obama is a very gifted speaker. the man has been on the national stage for many years. he's an experienced debater, he's done these kinds of debates before. this is mitt's first time on this kind of a stage. >> here's president obama's last word on sunday as he headed into the debate prep in nevada. >> governor romney is a good debatetor. i'm just okay. but what i'm most concerned about is having a serious discussion about what we need to do to keep the country growing and...
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president obama is a very gifted speaker. the man has been on the national stage for many years, he's an experienced debater. he's done these kind tkaoe kind of events very time. this is mitt raps firs's first time on the stage. >> he's done 23 of these but in a multiple setting. this is the first time he's ever engaged in a one-on-one presidential debate. bill: how are they playing the expectations team, president obama's team? >> they were in nevada, they are tog much th doing much the same thing. they set up a debate camp at the west lynn lake lain lake las vegas resort. even though he was thought to win all three debates back in 2008 he was playing down expeck i stations for himself yesterday. >> i know folks in the media are speculating already on who is going to have the best zingers [you are ] >> i don't know about that, who is going to put the most points on the board. [you are ] >> no, no, governor romney he's a good debater. i'm just okay. >> reporter: i'm just okay i think a lot of people would say he's a little be
president obama is a very gifted speaker. the man has been on the national stage for many years, he's an experienced debater. he's done these kind tkaoe kind of events very time. this is mitt raps firs's first time on the stage. >> he's done 23 of these but in a multiple setting. this is the first time he's ever engaged in a one-on-one presidential debate. bill: how are they playing the expectations team, president obama's team? >> they were in nevada, they are tog much th doing...
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trillion over ten years. true? >> not in the least bit true. look, this just goes to show, if you for tur statics enough, they will confess enough to what you want them to say. >> how much would it cost? >> it's revenue neutral. >> i'm not talking about the cut. we'll get to the deductions. but the cut in the tax rates. >> the cut in tax rates is lower all american tax rates by 20%. >> how much does that cost? >> it's revenue neutral. >> it's not revenue neutral unless you take away the deductions. >> that's where i'm going. >> i'm going to get to that in a second. >> lowering the tax base works and you can. >> let me just -- you haven't given me the math. >> look, i don't have the -- it would take me too long to go overall of the math. >> it would take too long to do the math? this isn't a pop quiz. it's a presidential election. even the conservatives are fed up with the lack of details. here's what laura ingraham said when she called in today. >> what i don't understand about this, if you have a different v
trillion over ten years. true? >> not in the least bit true. look, this just goes to show, if you for tur statics enough, they will confess enough to what you want them to say. >> how much would it cost? >> it's revenue neutral. >> i'm not talking about the cut. we'll get to the deductions. but the cut in the tax rates. >> the cut in tax rates is lower all american tax rates by 20%. >> how much does that cost? >> it's revenue neutral. >> it's not...